and then maybe two years later, must have been '92, i introduced him to bill clinton, and i looked at some photographs later and realized that the president, that is clinton, is slightly taller than nelson mandela. so that means that in my mind, he was ten feet tall. >> of course. >> that's why i was concerned. >> what was that like when you went to jfk to meet him? >> oh, it's clearly one of the greatest moments in my life. our son reminds me that it has to be second to his birth and maybe even his sister's. but it was a great moment. i and my bride, we were just enthralled as he descended the steps of that plane. he'd come from canada. we were just so moved. and to have him in gracie mansion, the singular thing about him is his total absence of bitterness. and all the time. because keep in mind we were with him at quiet moments, playing with our granddaughter, who was born in february of that year. he was always the same. i remind people that he was interviewed by ted koppel on "nightline." ted leaned in. he's a tough interviewer. he said, mr. mandela, about the communists, and madi